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    Its disgusting how much money the police and fire unions have strong armed their benefits. Unions continue to cripple the entities they serve. We the taxpayers suffer. Look at how many City employees are retiring in the late 40's with $100K+ pensions.

    Municipal pensions a bonanza for employees, a burden for cities

    After more than two decades working in Miami Beach’s 911 call center, Pamela Kindle wanted her golden parachute.
    Her $60,000-a-year job would provide a modest pension for retirement, but Kindle wanted more. So, she launched into a “marathon” of overtime, racking up an extra 50 hours of work a week during her final two years on the job.
    When she retired in 2002, Kindle did so with a $150,000 taxpayer-supported pension. Yearly increases have pumped up her pension to more than $182,000.
    “I earned my money,” said Kindle, 63, who says the city helped create her pension by perennially understaffing the call center. “I worked hard.”
    By the time she reaches her mid-70s, the city’s pension fund will have paid her $4,074,000 in her golden years.
    Scores of South Florida city employees, particularly police and firefighters, have recently retired in their mid to late 40s or early 50s with six-figure pensions, the result of generous pay and benefits packages that are now costing taxpayers tens of millions of dollars a year.
    The deals were agreed to by elected officials in negotiations with politically potent employee unions — especially police and fire unions, whose members face the biggest risks but enjoy higher pay and better benefits.
    During the real estate boom, there was plenty of money for pay raises and perks, even as employers in the private sector were ratcheting down health benefits and phasing out traditional pensions in favor of self-funded 401(k) plans.
    Then it all went sour.
    Cities, financially kneecapped by plunging property-tax revenues, stock market reversals and their own generosity, found pension costs eating up a rapidly growing chunk of their operating budgets — one out of every five dollars in Miami Beach, one out of four in Hollywood.
    Those cities and others are now trying to take back what they promised. That has sent employees rushing toward the exits. A year ago, as pay and pension reductions imposed by Miami’s elected officials were about to take effect, more than 250 employees retired on the same day. The same thing is happening in Hollywood, where voters last week approved dramatic reductions in employee pensions.
    WHAT IT REALLY MEANS TO RETIRE
    Actually, in municipal government-speak, “retiring” doesn’t mean leaving the job now. In another perk not enjoyed by private-sector employees, it often means entering a years-long transition phase called the Deferred Retirement Option Program, or DROP, during which the worker remains on the job, earning both a salary and a pension benefit that is held in a savings account.
    How generous are city pensions? More generous than pensions paid through the state’s retirement system, although the state has hundreds of six-figure pensioners. The Florida Retirement System, likened to a millstone weighing down the state budget, last year paid out an average yearly retirement benefit of $18,000.
    By contrast:
    In Miami Beach, of the 38 police and firefighters who began receiving a pension in fiscal year 2009, 26 did so in their 40s with an average retirement benefit of $104,000 — and a promised annual increase of 2.5 percent.
    • In Coral Gables, pension formulas that factor in hundreds of hours of overtime in addition to base pay and bonuses are allowing many to retire, like Kindle, with pensions significantly larger than their base salary. Examples: Fire Lt. Jeffrey Fabyan, 48, whose $106,000 pension dwarfs his $81,000 base salary; fire Lt. Donald Griffiths, 50, whose base pay is $81,720 but whose pension is $108,606; and police Sgt. John McRae, 49, whose salary is $79,414 but who will collect a $99,297 pension.
    • Of the 154 Miami police and firefighters who “retired” (actually entered the DROP) on Sept. 26, 2010, 55 have annual pensions in excess of $100,000, 10 of them greater than $150,000. The latter group includes Chief Fire Officer Ronald Khawly, who transitioned into retirement at 52 with a pension of $181,856; Assistant Fire Chief Veldora Arthur (44, with a pension of $166,687) and Chief Fire Officer Joe Burns (54, with a pension of $165,910).
    • In Hollywood, firefighters who left the city’s employ since 2008 after eight years in the DROP program have walked away with savings accounts of $500,000 or more, some as high as $1 million.
    “Pensions can’t be as rich as they have been,’’ said Hollywood Commissioner Beam Furr. “When you are in the public service, you shouldn’t be expecting to become rich. You shouldn’t be expecting to become suddenly a millionaire, and that has happened.”
    But employees like Khawly, who said he earned only a $16,000 salary when he began his tenure with the Miami Fire Department around 1980, are proud and protective of what they have earned through hard and sometimes dangerous work.
    “I take offense to it when someone makes those kind of comments,” said Khawly. “I’m out risking my life while everyone is sleeping in bed with their wives.”
    Jeff Marano, senior vice president of the Broward Police Benevolent Association, said city officials and administrators mismanaged taxpayers’ finances during the past decade’s property-tax boom and now are scapegoating employees.
    “The conspiracy of the day is that we’re the villains — public employees are the villains,” Marano said. “But that’s not the reality.’’
    The average retiree doesn’t come close to raking in a six-figure pension. But with negotiated formulas that have allowed employees to factor into their pensions overtime, unused vacation and sick days, municipal employees have been retiring far younger and more comfortably than those in private industry.
    So young that they can enjoy a second act. Donald De Lucca, the former Miami Beach police chief who retired in his 40s and cashes a $182,000-and-growing yearly retirement benefit, recently was hired as chief of the Golden Beach department at $100,000 a year, according to the town manager.
    Pension analysts say city officials and unions both bear responsibility for the current excesses.
    “Unions didn’t do it, and cities didn’t do it alone,” said Fred Nesbitt, retired executive director of the National Conference of Public Employee Retirement Systems. “They did it together.’’
    STATE PENSIONS VS. CITY PENSIONS


    Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/1...#ixzz1YnkFd54R

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    I personally don't think it's the unions that are enabling certain city employees to get all the perks. I think it's cronyism. If unions in the public sector were all that great, teachers wouldn't be struggling to make it on their meager earnings. When I was going to become a teacher in Louisiana a few years ago, the entry level pay was just $28,000 per year. How is anyone supposed to get by on $28,000 in today's world?
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    I agree with Doug. In Florida, teachers start at $37.000, teachers in non-elite private and charter schools make much less.
    Of course, the police and fire unions have good lobbyists and have strong allies among mayors and commissioners. Don't forget that Carlos Alvarez was a former police chief. Also, the people making these outrageous pensions are the chiefs and higher-ups, not the regular employees.
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    The police and fire unions are legendary. They have the most $200,000+ salaries in the County, by far. And they all retire after 20 years service with that pension in perpetuity.

    The teachers, are also well mobilized, but don't have the heart to threaten commissioners and mayors like the police and fire.

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    For teachers, it depends where you do it, as far as salaries and benefits go. I can imagine that in Louisiana, it might not pay well. My Aunt was a teacher in CT public school. She retired at relatively young age, has a ski house in VT, a home 2 blocks from the beach in CT, and 2 condos in the Virgin Islands. She was single and had 1 kid.
    Not bad for a job with summers off. (yea, I know, some teachers work summers. But, they get paid extra for it.).


    If you want to become teacher, go north.



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    Don't forget the HUGE pension benefits of public workers, that they largely do not fund. Remember the Wisconsin hoopla? The Governor was just trying to get them to pay 5% of their salary, and they were screaming mad. National average is 12%. Its not even a 401k program they have to fully support - its a guaranteed pension when they retire.

    Workers in the private sector would be elated to have that deal.

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    That governor was trying to outlaw collective bargaining. Workers need a collective voice in order to have leverage against unreasonable demands by their bosses. Naturally, there is potential for abuse on either side. That's why there is a negotiation process.
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    That's the thing, though. If anyone ever tries to cut ANYTHING involving police or fire fighters, everyone gets all 9/11 crazy and says these people can't be the ones suffering because of budget cuts, blah blah blah. I like cops more than a lot of people on this site, but yeah, no need to pay them 100K a year after they retire.
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    Across the causeway in Miami Beach, firefighters did almost as well as police in 2010, with 126 of 204 city firefighters grossing in excess of $100,000.

    Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/2...#ixzz1YuK6kT3r

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    Pension is the way to go I know so many people that kill to get a job with a pension. Those usually also have the best benefits too.

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    There used to be a time when if you wanted to make money, you would go into the private sector and if you wanted security, you would go into the public sector.

    Now the public sector is where you go if you want to make money and have stability.

    Pensions are a thing of the past in the private sector. Corporate greed ensured that.

    But government greed ensured pensions were abused in the public sector.

    Here's a story of a Chicago labor union leader who worked one day on the city payroll and now receives a $158,000 pension.

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...icipal-pension

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    Default Re: Want to retire rich and young? Join a Union and get a City job.

    If anyone is looking for a city/county job in Miami, and those cushy benefits:

    https://exterd.miamidade.gov/psp/GUE...RAM.HRS_CE.GBL

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    Default Re: Want to retire rich and young? Join a Union and get a City job.

    That's why I don't get the outrage at getting rid of a lot of this stuff for city/state/county workers. It's just keeping pace with the private sector. Might be a good place to start cuts to deal with the debt problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos Miller View Post
    There used to be a time when if you wanted to make money, you would go into the private sector and if you wanted security, you would go into the public sector.

    Now the public sector is where you go if you want to make money and have stability.

    Pensions are a thing of the past in the private sector. Corporate greed ensured that.

    But government greed ensured pensions were abused in the public sector.

    Here's a story of a Chicago labor union leader who worked one day on the city payroll and now receives a $158,000 pension.

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...icipal-pension
    That story is just pure shameful.

    Not surprisingly, that came from Chicago, which is also known for its high corruption with Unions and the government.

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