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    It's getting to be that time of year when hordes of black vacationers fly down to Miami to party it up on the beach for Memorial Day Weekend.

    And as usual, there is a lot of talk about how bad and dangerous and crazy it can be.

    I've hung out on the beach on Memorial Day Weekend as a photographer a few times since moving back to Miami and I really didn't see any problems besides overly aggressive police officers grabbing people and searching them for maybe getting a little rowdy (in a fun way, not violent way).

    So I'm wondering if we are overhyping that fear and/or are being racially insensitive.
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    Carlos, they take about 50 yes Five Zero guns off the street that weekend. On an average weekend its about 2. That should say it all. Not all crime stats are reported. If you only witness what goes on during the day, stay around for the night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYPDDAVE
    Carlos, they take about 50 yes Five Zero guns off the street that weekend. On an average weekend its about 2. That should say it all. Not all crime stats are reported. If you only witness what goes on during the day, stay around for the night.
    Well that's the stats I'm looking for. To me, an increase in "disorderly conduct" arrests doesn't mean shit because police use that charge on anybody.

    I've been there at night and during the day. I've even been in the clubs because I was shooting for a New York hip hop website. I actually had a lot of fun because black people love to have their photo taken compared to other cultures or ethnic groups.

    However, I've seen how the cops act during that weekend. If someone happens to step into the street from the sidewalk, they get manhandled and frisked.

    That doesn't happen on normal weekends.

    If it did, I'm sure they will find more than just two guns.

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    Well, you have 100x the normal population in town and only 25x the normal guns. Seems pretty low to me, actually.

    Of course there are more arrests, because there are more people. There are also more tips, and more sales, and more revenue. More blankets on the beach. More cars in the streets. Duh. There's tens of thousands more people here than most weekend. Relative statistics would be useful.

    I mean, the worst problem is, you are trying to cram a quarter million people into a space designed for 20K. Ever try to get anywhere during Boat Show? Horrible. When South Beach has ginormous events, things get messy because it is a small space, doesn't matter what color you are.

    If it isn't your thing, don't come.

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    I heard stories from Kristine and Michelle and everyone I talk to says get out of dodge! That's why I'm heading to NJ for the week.

    I'm sure if you live here and only went to the beach during the day, ordered dinner in and just stayed in at night it would be fine...but I heard everyone escapes to keys..so I wonder if the Keys' residents run off somewhere.

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    As I've said, if it were a convention of Black Accountants and Doctors, nobody would really care. It's not a skin color thing, it's a culture thing. And Mem. Day attracts GHETTO people. If you're into that, it's probably fun. If not, you should probably leave All I know is everyone in the service industry has said you will never work harder for less money. Those people were obviously never in the Marine Corps, but you get the point.

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    I think the perspective is different depending on whether or not you are a guy or a girl. I personally will not go to the beach at that time, simply because my first experience with Memorial Day involved guys getting really verbally aggressive with me, and getting really grabby. In addition, I did see some guy flip out on a girl on Washington Ave (close to Mansion), punch her in the face and kick her into the gutter before the cops got to him.

    So yeah. Maybe I'm crazy, but that definitely made me think that it's not the best time to be on the beach. And Matt is correct, it has nothing to do with what color you are, its the culture. And believe me, ghetto comes in all colors, and regardless of what color your skin is, ghetto is ghetto and it's not cute.

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    Ghetto isn't cute unless you're in the ghetto, I guess. If you judge by the attendance, LOTS of people think that ghetto is cute.

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    Well, the dreaded "urban" weekend has come and gone, only 100 less arrests than last year but still over 400!!!

    I live here year round and have a number of friends of color and NONE OF THEM want to be around this weekend, they are embarrassed. We call it the annual Thugfest because no matter what your color, it seems to bring the dregs of society and thugs in to our fair city.

    The hotels get trashed and have to hire extra security. Many restaurants close as it is not worth it for them to open. A lot of the the restaurant customers leave without paying, constantly demand extra attention and sending their food back. The restaurants actually LOSE money by staying open and servicing this crowd. Additionally, many servers and bartenders work extra hard and make less tips.

    One beach restaurant had to close its doors for three hours to ebb the constant flow of demanding customers. Between all orders sent back, people leaving without paying their bill and servers left with little or no tips, they are considering closing as well, it's just not worth it for them to be open with all the aggravation of unruly, non-tipping customers.

    Besides that, girls walk around wearing pasties and no underwear under short skirts, there is no modesty, no decorum. Guys are STILL wearing their pants down like prisoners with caps to the side and swearing and acting disrespectfully. I was in a drug store last year and these guys could not stop saying "f" this and "f" that, I told them to knock it off. I am no old prude but i don't want to see naked girls on the street and I don't want to hear thugs talking trash in our stores, it makes everyone uncomfortable.

    The "revelers" block the streets and invade the beach leaving all their trash, bottles, plastic cups and cigarette butts behind for someone else to clean up. Forget about having a peaceful day at the beach as the quiet beach turns into th battle of the boom box and crap hip hop emanates from all over the beach. Meanwhile, MY TAX DOLLARS are going to have to pay for this when all I want is for my tax dollars to go for MY NEEDS AS A RESIDENT like a few more bike racks to be installed by the beach!

    If I don't get the opportunity to leave town for the weekend, I usually hear sirens wailing through out the night. Of course, there is always a shooting. Don't know if anyone got shot this year or not.

    So, "urban" week REALLY SUCKS for locals and local business owners and many hotels would close if they could but it is considered discrimination. Everyone on the beach complains about it and tries to leave town. ANyone that tells you different is from out of town.

    Hey, out of towners: show a little respect, wear some proper attire, pay your bills and tip. If you did that, there would be no problem otherwise, get yo self back to da projects and leave our city alone!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MBgal
    Well, the dreaded "urban" weekend has come and gone, only 100 less arrests than last year but still over 400!!!

    I live here year round and have a number of friends of color and NONE OF THEM want to be around this weekend, they are embarrassed. We call it the annual Thugfest because no matter what your color, it seems to bring the dregs of society and thugs in to our fair city.

    The hotels get trashed and have to hire extra security. Many restaurants close as it is not worth it for them to open. A lot of the the restaurant customers leave without paying, constantly demand extra attention and sending their food back. The restaurants actually LOSE money by staying open and servicing this crowd. Additionally, many servers and bartenders work extra hard and make less tips.

    One beach restaurant had to close its doors for three hours to ebb the constant flow of demanding customers. Between all orders sent back, people leaving without paying their bill and servers left with little or no tips, they are considering closing as well, it's just not worth it for them to be open with all the aggravation of unruly, non-tipping customers.

    Besides that, girls walk around wearing pasties and no underwear under short skirts, there is no modesty, no decorum. Guys are STILL wearing their pants down like prisoners with caps to the side and swearing and acting disrespectfully. I was in a drug store last year and these guys could not stop saying "f" this and "f" that, I told them to knock it off. I am no old prude but i don't want to see naked girls on the street and I don't want to hear thugs talking trash in our stores, it makes everyone uncomfortable.

    The "revelers" block the streets and invade the beach leaving all their trash, bottles, plastic cups and cigarette butts behind for someone else to clean up. Forget about having a peaceful day at the beach as the quiet beach turns into th battle of the boom box and crap hip hop emanates from all over the beach. Meanwhile, MY TAX DOLLARS are going to have to pay for this when all I want is for my tax dollars to go for MY NEEDS AS A RESIDENT like a few more bike racks to be installed by the beach!

    If I don't get the opportunity to leave town for the weekend, I usually hear sirens wailing through out the night. Of course, there is always a shooting. Don't know if anyone got shot this year or not.

    So, "urban" week REALLY SUCKS for locals and local business owners and many hotels would close if they could but it is considered discrimination. Everyone on the beach complains about it and tries to leave town. ANyone that tells you different is from out of town.

    Hey, out of towners: show a little respect, wear some proper attire, pay your bills and tip. If you did that, there would be no problem otherwise, get yo self back to da projects and leave our city alone!

    Which beach restaurants closed its doors for three hours?

    Which hotels got trashed?

    Which restaurants reported people leaving without paying?

    What news agency reported more than 400 people were arrested?

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    Which beach restaurants closed its doors for three hours? I would never tell as it could get them in trouble

    Which hotels got trashed? stories from hotel working friends from last year, have not heard reports about this year yet as I was away

    Which restaurants reported people leaving without paying? again, reports from industry friends that work on the beach from last year as well as my own experiences, I am in that industry and can verify first hand.

    What news agency reported more than 400 people were arrested? Not sure, saw it on the local news last night. You are aware that many incidents that happen on the beach never get reported?

    Obviously you have no friends that work in the hospitality industry. All you have to do is talk to them to find out what's been going on.

    I'm not into creating hysteria or hype. I live here, I see it and I suffer the consequences of the thugs invading the beach. I'm sure there are many nice people that come too but unfortunately, you don't hear about them. Do you not see the litter on the beach? Same thing happens at Spring Break but not nearly as bad....

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    I was there yesterday and the only crowded places I saw were right smack in the middle of Ocean Drive -- the rest of the beach seemed pretty calm It's unfortunate the the WHOLE beach gets wiped out reputation-wise when it's still possible to enjoy the beach outside of the major party zone. You can totally enjoy a quiet day on the beach north of 23rd street. I've done it for years.

    Also, MBGal, I'm sorry that your friends and you have had some bad experiences. It's always best to support things with facts, though. I would've asked the same questions that Carlos asked, because anyone reading this is going to get the impression that ALL of Miami Beach is off-limits, which is completely untrue. It's only a particularly contained area in South Beach where the "trouble" happens.

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    Sweetie, I live on South Beach so this is in MY backyard. As far as facts go, I was not here this year but have been for a number of years when myriad incidents happen. I can't get any more "factual" than to experience first hand waiting on people that weekend and getting repeatedly stiffed. I will listen and believe what my hotel worker friends say to me about their experiences "first hand" before I listen to what's been water downed or hyped on the news. I cannot "name names" as I'm sure I would certainly get those people in trouble and I"m not about to do that to satisfy your curiosity.

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    ACtually, I don't think that naming restaurants would get them in trouble. If anything, it would make us more sympathetic to those restaurants. You have to admire them, in a way, for putting up with all that crap.

    I think you may have missed my point. Undoubtedly, living in the thick of things is going to be different than living south of fifth or north of 23rd street. My point was that I'd hate for our out-of-town forum members to believe that ALL of Miami Beach is so crazy and unruly on Memorial Day weekend. The rest of the beach is pretty calm. I lived on Miami Beach for 12 years, some of that time on West Ave, and even there, I was not affected by Memorial Day weekend stuff.

    I am not doubting what you say -- just want to add some perspective for those who visit this forum and aren't familiar with the lay of the land.

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    I actually side with both parties on this one. Need some facts from an experienced hospitality professional... I got em:

    I worked at the JW Marriott in Brickell this time last year. I saw first hand what went on during Memorial Weekend... and I wasn't even on the beach. We had a HUGE increase in declined credit cards. Of course, with working in any business hotel you will see your occasional "escort" but on that weekend... the escorts got smart and actually reserved a room with us. I have never seen so many random men go up to a room with the same woman in my life.

    From 7 a.m. Saturday to 6:59 a.m. Sunday (2009), officers made 141 arrests and responded to 861 calls, police spokesman Detective Juan Sanchez said. Last year, officers made 135 arrests and responded to 770 calls.

    Twenty-eight of the arrest charges were felonies and 113 were misdemeanors, he said. Officers confiscated 16 handguns and one shotgun.
    -Sun Sentinel

    In the beach the hotel rooms really do get trashed and the security is raised... A concierge friend of mine made me laugh when he explained how 2 years ago, people stole everything out of the rooms including the mattress so now they require a huge deposit for the weekend and tied down the mattresses some how. The people were caught on tape sliding the mattress out the window into a truck and driving off... There's another post around in the forums about the Flamingo condo building kicking everyone out. http://forums.miamibeach411.com/inde...ewthread/4842/ . I also remember a few restaurants closing, the one mentioned in an article is Rancho Argentino in 2008...

    “We opened last year and it was chaos,” Rancho Argentino owner Gabe Capasso said, explaining that he had problems with dine-and-dashers, bad credit cards, and people eating most of their meals and then complaining to get it free. Others removed tips from their bills. “I'm not a racist, it's just many of the people come just to cause trouble.” - SunPost

    The article I was referencing to is a bit old (2008) but it does give a lot of good info. If you'd like to read the rest... here ya go: http://www.miamisunpost.com/archives...emorialday.htm

    To better support my argument for the other side: Craziness happens on any given weekend that a MAJOR event is taking place. Coach is right, it's not only Mem. Weekend. WMC this year I saw the craziest sh*t ever! I don't mean to bring up race but since everyone kept mentioning that Memorial Weekend is a predominantly "Colored" (meaning African Americans and Latinos primarily) weekend... WMC is a predominantly "Caucasian" weekend and stuff happens there too! I saw people all messed up on drugs running up and down our lobby at the JW when I came in to work at 7am... they obviously had not slept. I also saw a half naked female (won't even say lady) with a short skirt and her booty completely hanging out the bottom and her front coming out of every corner possible. Pillows from our lobby were stolen. We caught the guys on film, it was kinda funny/pathetic to think that someone would be dumb enough to steal decorative pillows from a hotel. I laughed about it because they took 3... why not 4 to complete the set? :lol:

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    Maria, I think I did miss your point, I'm sorry. South Beach is but a small portion of Miami Beach and that is where a lot of incidents happen. You could definitely stay up in Sunny Isles and not see any of this! But, if you go anywhere near Ocean Dr., Washington Ave., Collins Ave. and Lincoln Rd. on SOUTH BEACH you will be in the "thick of things."

    I LOVE MIAMI BEACH AND SOUTH BEACH and I love the tourists that bring their money here and spend it freely. I'm happy to give them excellent service, help them out and tell them what to check out. I just get so upset seeing "my" beach trashed and seeing people acting disrespectfully to establishments and each other.

    I especially don't like seeing young girls exploiting themselves by walking around without underwear under their short skirts or wearing pasties instead of a shirt. It makes me sad. YOu have to admit, if you came down to South Beach during Memorial weekend with family and didn't do your research, you'd be mighty surprised!

    In any case, what grinds me the most is more of our Miami Beach tax dollars going to police these events when we could be using that money to improve things for the residents.

    Here is a story about arrests from only Saturday: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...,3710426.story

    I say to ALL tourists visiting Miami Beach: have fun, be nice, show respect to your host city, tip well, pick up your garbage and leave your guns and b.s. at home!!! ;-)
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    I would love to the amount of tax receipts collected over the weekend, versus last weekend and next weekend. I guarantee more sales tax money is collected on non-memorial day weekends. I bet the 4th and Labor Day are at least double.

    Does this City provide this kind of data?

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    Man... I was having such a great time in Miami that I totally missed this poppin' party in Broward!!!

    http://www.fetishfactory.com/anniversary/

    lol


    Even our own Miami Dolphins get in to trouble during Memorial Weekend!

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    Here's the thing about that group of people Kristine: they keep it in the hotel and their clubs. No one is out parading the street and causing fights and toting guns. If they are part of a hotel, usually the hotel will not allow outside guests in and they have the entire place booked. Good for them, that's showin' respect and I'm all about doin' whatever between consenting adults.

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    That is true.... they do not need to barricade the streets of South Beach for WMC.... You have a point.

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