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Re: Accused Cat Killer Released, Charges Dropped
Didn't mean to infer that at all. It is just peculiar I only hear that word utlilized once a year.
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Re: Accused Cat Killer Released, Charges Dropped
The curious agenda of Mr Hart.
Nobody seems to know what really happened to these cats, was it a dog(s) or was it Mr TW?
I also do not know but I would like to make a few observations which I believe are apposite in the context of Mr Hart's superficially robust rebuttal of the issues raised by the "questions that remain unanswered".
1. Psychiatrists have know for hundreds of years that there is a type of mental disorder that manifests itself through the deliberate harming of animals, often involving mutilation with sharp objects.
2. If a cat has been the subject of lengthy incisions with a sharp implement then this is immediately obvious to both the layman and pathologist.
3. The descriptions of the cats' remains appear to show that deliberate excisions of particular anatomical regions were performed. This and the presence of lengthy clean cuts is obviously at variance with any theory that involves a random dog attack. Dogs bit, rip and shred, they do not pull out scalpels and start slicing.Would a dog remove the exact area that comprises a cat's genitalia, as occurred in one of the attacks?
4. If dogs were attacking cats would there not be witness evidence of sightings of these attacks? Would there not also be failed attacks in which cats were merely injured?
5. Within the context of legal proceedings, criminal or civil, one can effectively instruct an expert to give you any opinion you want. If the relevant expert is determined to be more qualified or have more letters after their name or went to a more prestigious university than another expert then the inferior feeling expert will usually capitulate to their senior so as to save face.Antone who takes issue with this simply has no idea how justice is administered in practice.
6. One of the cats that was killed belonged to a cop, another belonged to a girl who suppoted a facebook campaign to catch the cat killer, coincidence?
7. The injuries sustained by the cats would certainly have resulted in a massive spilling of blood, even if their hearts were stopped when the injuries were sustained, yet no blood is found at the scene. The suugestion that these signs of attack were somehow overlooked is untenable.If a dog attacks a cat there is a huge commotion, cat fur abounds, blood splatters, there is yelling and screaming.Yet there are no reports of any of these traces at the any of the locations where the dead cats are found.These wild dogs must have been real nija assassins.
8. Why are the cats found in the front yards of their owners? A few of the cats were positioned next to a post box. is this a coincidence or was the cat placed in a position where the owner was sure to find at the very earliest possibility? The culprit might be pushing things a bit too far to venture to the front door step but by the post box would do just fine.
9. Mr TW's involvement has not been proved. However -
(i) He was literally at the scene of the "crimes".
(ii) He may have had motive - his father is estranged from his wife, TW's mother. TW apparently hates his father, who at the time these killings occured started co-habiting with his new partner who moved in with her 12 cats.
(iii) He may or may not have made an admission of guilt to the police in his interview. If he did, what is the basis for that admission?
(iv) It appears that he lied to the police regarding his movements (the police had a GPS on his car so they could verify his actual movements). If one is not guilty why would one lie to the police?
(v) He had a cutting implement of some description in his car when stopped by the police, what it was used for is anyone's guess.
(vi) When questioned by the police TW displayed aknowledge of feline anatomy above that taught to him in school. he displayed an interest in the sourcing of lab cats from mexico and admitted researching the topic. Concidence?
(vii)He suggested to the police that the weapon the perp would have used must have been very well concealed. The police later uncovered a recess in a wall in TW's bedroom, behind a framed picture, containing another cutting implement. Coincidence or freudian slip on TW's part?
(viii) TW exhibited a morbid interest in certain aspects of the feline dissection he had conducted in his high school biology class.
(ix) TW was covered in cat scratches when interviewed, (which he said was from a cat a stray cat that his mother, who he lived with, was feeding. To get one scrach from a stray cat is indeed unfortunate, but to get get a series of maulings from that same cat is remarkably carelees.
(x) TW's father is a dentist. TW stayed with dad on Mondays. TW therfore had access to both sterilising agents or equipment, to clean a knife, as well as access to pain killing / anaesthetic agents, to tranquilize or poision a cat.
There are other points which seem in a circumstantial manner to implicate TW. the facts, as I understand them do not seem to stack up. Human agency appears to have wrongly ruled out and everything else seems to follow from this, insofar as the state then having to enter a nolle prosequi. If TW does proceed sue the state the issue may well be ventilated further, where the approriate burden of proof might be a more approachable hurdle.
 Originally Posted by Warren Hart
He didn’t. What happened was, he was interrogated for hours and hours and hours without a lawyer. He probably thought he was helping the investigation. Detectives were trying to trip him up because they incorrectly believed he killed the cats and at some point they offered him a fake deal. They said “if you tell us about some of the cats you did, we will make the marijuana charge go away”…Tyler said “OK, let me see if I understand, If I tell you about the cats I did, you will make the marijuana charge go away? I need to talk to a lawyer” That is if he even made such a statement. Detectives didn’t record it.
Cat mutilations were, and are, happening all over the place. At the time this was going on, there were many other dead cats they were trying to associate with a phantom cat serial killer. 33 right around that area I believe and there was also 17 “mutilated” cats in another small town not to far off in Lauderhill Fl. Police initially said they were killed by a person and sliced with surgical precision and displayed for people to find (sound familiar?). Later, police said dogs had actually killed those Lauderhill Fl cats. Authorities in Palmetto Bay, said at the town hall meeting about the cats, that as many as 50-60 cats were being killed in the area a month by roaming dogs and by being struck by autos etc... point being is that a lot of cats were dying in that area. That said, Tyler Weinman became a suspect very early on in the investigation according to detectives. The guy (Fernando) from Animal services, was the guy making the determination which cats were being killed by a person and which cats were being killed by dogs. Since Fernando was working very closely with the detectives, he probably knew that Tyler was the suspect, and knew where Tyler lived, and knew there were 2 houses involved etc..so he just picked dead cat cases that would make a pattern around the suspects residence. Fernando made the pattern by determining (without any physical evidence) which cats were killed by the human cat serial killer. He may have done this with or without intent. It's hard to say. He was staring in this Animal Planet TV show at the time and may have let that influence his professional decisions.
The key word here is “appear”. That word was used a lot in this case (i.e. the cats "appeared" to have been cut with a sharp instrument). The cats were not posed, they just “appeared” as though they were. They "appeared" that way to this Fernando guy at Animal Services who made the accusations. There was no evidence whatsoever.
Dogs can easily get over fences. They can actually climb them or simply jump over. Dogs are very intelligent creatures.
This is very common in these cases. It’s complicated, but to make a long story short - The K9 grabs the cat in it’s jaws and shakes the cats violently and breaks the cats neck or spine. This takes about 2 seconds and can be very quick. Once the cats spinal cord is severed its heart no longer produces blood pressure thus it will not spurt blood from it’s wounds. The blood will leak out and the K9 most likely just licks it up. K9’s love the taste of blood.
How do we know they didn’t and Animal Services just over looked them? They didn’t seem very competent anyway.
No, not necessarily or maybe they just ignored it. The place is crawling with cats everywhere. If you’ve ever been around cats outside at night you know that they very often scream and howl at each other. People may not have gave any attention to one more cat scream amongst all the other common cat screams.
Because the dogs that were killing them were picked up earlier on the same day they arrested Tyler Weinman. Anyway, since the claims that some human was killing the cats was just the opinion of this Fernando guy at Animal Services, perhaps he just decided the others weren't killed by some person. It was all his opinion anyway (there was no evidence at all).
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Re: Accused Cat Killer Released, Charges Dropped
This is such a horrible, and twisted story.
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Re: Accused Cat Killer Released, Charges Dropped
That's a very good analysis, Hannibal! Does anyone know if the girl that started the FB page to catch the cat killer did that before or after her own cat was killed? If it was after, you might just say that was her motivation for starting the page, and it wouldn't indicate any kind of revenge. But if it was the other way around, it would be very suspicious.
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Re: Accused Cat Killer Released, Charges Dropped
Tyler Weinman is now suing the county and animal rights organizations for botching the investigation against him.
He's only asking for $15,000, even though his father spent more than $144,000 in legal fees defending him. He's probably entitled to much more.
The suit alleges that negligence by the county and Merck — chiefly, the failure to detect the dog bite marks on the cat carcasses — led to Weinman's false arrest.
"This young man was vilified in the media. It became a national and international subject. He became a pariah," said civil attorney Ronald S. Guralnick, who filed the suit. "My client should have never been charged in the first place."
The suit asks for more than $15,000 in damages. The suit notes that Weinman's father, Douglas Weinman, spent more than $144,000 in legal fees to defend Weinman.
"I am excited that this civil case will allow the truth to unfold," his criminal defense attorney, David Macey said. "The negligence and corruption will be exposed for all to see. This case will be another step in restoring Tyler's good name. "
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...,7025954.story
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Re: Accused Cat Killer Released, Charges Dropped
Regardless of his innocence or guilt, why go after the animal rights organizations? They're just reacting to what they heard in the news. That will just take money out of the mouths of needy animals.
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Re: Accused Cat Killer Released, Charges Dropped
This case is pretty strange I don't think the charges should have been dropped, maybe lessened but not dropped.
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