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    Starbucks changing to Lolo's??...cigar lounge closed, Red Ginger closed, Tiramesu about to close...what's going on with the area??...any others?
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    None to report at this time, but you know with South Beach rent prices that can change at any minute. It's been the most consistent neighborhood in the beach in terms of places staying open, but it's also unpredictable. Hopefully it's not a trend, and it doesn't go the way of everything from 5th to 15th.

    Also, unrelated, but I went to Mina's Mediterraneo for the first time on Friday. Definitely in my top 3 now.

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    OT as well, but had lunch at Sylvanos today--very good. Had the chicken parm that was HUGE, with roasted potatoes and vegetables and a value at only $17.95...good spot.

    Hitting up Quality Meats tonight (last day of Miami Spice for them)...might hit Via Emilia tomorrow...hit Edge, Zuma and Bachour when I was in Brickell the other day/night....had plans to hit Pawn Broker, but the threat of rain kept me from there--looks like a very cool speakeasy at Langford Hotel.
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    Screw Quality Meats...morons advertised Miami Spice extended until October 31, so naturally they are closed (went last Halloween and they were open)..Lure closed on Mondays...schmucks..do locals and tourists do 24 hour cleanse programs on Monday by not eating??...not having much success this trip, Sylvano the exception....(did score free Dewars Club tix to Heat game also.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by elchevere View Post
    Starbucks changing to Lolo's??...cigar lounge closed, Red Ginger closed, Tiramesu about to close...what's going on with the area??...any others?
    High Rents, Greedy Landlords, Bad $ Management from Restaurant Owners, Bad Hiring scared away customers, etc.

    You know ,the usual Miami 'M-O

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    Sounds like SoBe is the equivalent of San Diego's Gaslamp (except with an ocean and more money--when people are here)....looks like I could be taking my talents to Brickell...beautiful, sunny weather hides a lot of faults; glad I got to see Miami/MB from a different perspective these past few days.
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    Brickell over South of Fifth? You're crazy.. Stay in SoFi on a weekend, wake up at like 8:30, walk to Joes for a delicious breakfast , head over to South Pointe park to relax/do yoga/work out , then head over to the beach..you'll be hooked. ..a little sunset happy hour at montys later in the day to cap it off

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    Already done that...next day Smith & Wollensky...after that?.....how many of the buildings are completely or even 60% occupied year round?..,.is it a transient area?....is the hedge fund manager (probably part time resident) from Continuum, Murano or Apogee going to want to associate with a lowly person worth 1/10th, maybe less, than him....are there more professionals in SoBe?...all viable questions....water view in a good, not the best, building starts at $850 to buy or 4K+ to rent for a 2BR (Not including the transient Yacht Club or units outside of SoFi on West Ave)....tourists or where I can avoid them?..,Prime 112, Red, and Milos good--how often do you eat there--once a week or once every 3 months?....I will take a good Equinox (not the crappy one in SoBe) over yoga (which I don't do)...might be good for an established person who has lived in Miami for years; not certain its the optimal spot for a professional person brand new to the area to meet like people as I once thought it might be...maybe I'm having an off week here but prove me wrong.


    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Middleton View Post
    Brickell over South of Fifth? You're crazy.. Stay in SoFi on a weekend, wake up at like 8:30, walk to Joes for a delicious breakfast , head over to South Pointe park to relax/do yoga/work out , then head over to the beach..you'll be hooked. ..a little sunset happy hour at montys later in the day to cap it off
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    Ultimately, SoFi would be a great place to settle; however, I think Brickell might be as good or better a place for a new person to start out their first 6-12 months before moving to the beach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Middleton View Post
    Brickell over South of Fifth? You're crazy.. Stay in SoFi on a weekend, wake up at like 8:30, walk to Joes for a delicious breakfast , head over to South Pointe park to relax/do yoga/work out , then head over to the beach..you'll be hooked. ..a little sunset happy hour at montys later in the day to cap it off
    As much as I'm a mainlander, I'll go with this. Too bad Clarke's is gone or I'd go more often. Loved that place.


    Hey ! What's the word on retail leases in MB ? Heard it's ramped up recently, especially Lincoln Rd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elchevere View Post
    Ultimately, SoFi would be a great place to settle; however, I think Brickell might be as good or better a place for a new person to start out their first 6-12 months before moving to the beach.
    You have to live there to understand....

    You don't have to eat at Prime 112 every day or Milos, I didn't say to just 'stay in SoFi' while you live there...the rest of MB has plenty to offer and you can venture to Brickell/Midtown/Wynwood very easily with Uber/Taxi/Buses and when you are done, return to your peaceful, beautiful enclave of South of Fifth...That's the only way I can describe it.

    In 4 years of selling Real Estate, I've never had 1 person 'dislike' living in SoFI, get bored, or have anyone choose Brickell over SoFI..its always the reverse.

    Brickell is non stop construction, dust, noise, busy/busy/busy with very little sense of community.

    Your question about the hedge fund manager in Continuum is the extreme. There are lots of great units at Iona Lofts, Cosmopolitan, The Courts, Meridian Townhomes, Armitage, or even no-name buildings like this one: http://www.marcsellsmiami.com/info/p...ial/A10157551/ and these are places where you'll get to know your neighbors, see them at the pool /gym more often than not, and not feel isolated. Sure you won't get the waterviews that you'd get in the high rises, but like you said, its mostly transient at Yacht Club and Murano/Icon are much pricier for views that are just 'ok'. The Floridian is direct bay views for $800k in a 2 bedroom and $400k-$500k for a 1 bedroom and the neighbors are a much better mix for you. (a good amount of French people surprisingly)..

    Brickell is young couples, some single professionals and part-time foreigners. If you want to pick up the single 20 somethings new to Miami, then by all means choose that over SoFi. I can't argue that.

    Only few buildings in Brickell have waterviews, even on Brickell Key. ( I don't count slivers of the river as a 'waterview'). For Brickell Key, you'd need to go with St. Louis, Isola (no washer dryer), Tequesta 1/2/3 on certain sides of the buildings. For Brickell, you'd need to be in the older buildings on Brickell Bay Dr, further down Brickell ave on like the 20s-28s, or buildings like the Emerald & Jade.
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    Ok, thx...maybe I had a shit couple of days...sun is out, I'm not watching the news, going to hit S&W for late happy hour, maybe check out Living Room at Faena, and catch end of the Series Game 6.

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    I don't know how long I've been on this site. Many years to be sure, as well as many prospects claiming wanting to move to Miami.

    To this date, Echevere's quest is impressive and probably examined more than anyone here on this site before "we" moved or staked a claim in Miami. That deserves a tip of the hat. So this notion " you have to live here to understand" can be said of anywhere in the country, What's clear is you've done your homework and better postioned with you're numerous visits, than I'd say most here have. I'd further that saying that you have to "live here" to understand can be applied if you wanted to move to Montana or elsewhere.

    My only advise is to trust your instincts and not myopic or enticements of "water views." My building was mentioned in the previous post as offering optimal view from Brickell(Key.) I sense you want more than that.

    The funny thing that some do here is claim is say I'm not Miamian, or I don't live here. I spend 60-100 days in Miami each year, Prior to that I've been comming to Miami before most have been born. Same people that can't dicipher country or origin after three syllables. I can, though I admit it took me longer to figure that out with plethora of Asians in LA, there orgin but I finally got proficient at it.

    So toss away " you have to live here to understand" wisecracks. It's a complication many here don't understand or venture into and start talking about water views.

    I do have a water view in Miami.

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    I also have an interior island/city view which I like better from the kitchen balcony. Can't dis the river. Viewing H2o is not a critical factor, and in fact a bore. after 3 mins.

    My only advise is to engage and expand your bliss as only you know how. Wish you the best on the move.
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    Eche, as I understand it, Rio is you final destination.

    SoFi = Ipanema without the shops. Copacabana = the rest of Miami. I'd give an arm to revisit Confeteria Colombo in downton Rio.

    That's my take. Sh!t you don't "have to live here" to figure out.... or any tunnel passage at Copabana's extreme E inward is a delicacy. I'm sure you know that passage.

    I'm a Botofogo guy. I don't live there and figured that out myself. LOL ! Including where to go to by the Laguna ( Chico's Bar ) to hear Bossa Nova. MB is musically and artitiscally illerate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackford Oakes View Post
    As much as I'm a mainlander, I'll go with this. Too bad Clarke's is gone or I'd go more often. Loved that place.


    Hey ! What's the word on retail leases in MB ? Heard it's ramped up recently, especially Lincoln Rd.
    Last I saw on LoopNet, Lincoln Road is going for $300sf not including triple net (taxes, insurance, and common area). That's on par with Midtown Manhattan.

    Las Olas Boulevard is $110sf and most strip malls in the burbs are $17-$25 and sometimes cheaper.

    I'd be surprised if there are any independently owned stores left in South Beach.

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    As much as I appreciate this guy's research about moving to Maimi, it's time he grows hair on his nuts and trust his instincts,

    All I've seen is diddy-daddy and a stage left dude trying to convince him of a ocean view. LOL !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackford Oakes View Post

    So toss away " you have to live here to understand" wisecracks. It's a complication many here don't understand or venture into and start talking about water views.
    Ahh, this guy trolls me every chance he gets. (7 more days...)

    I'm not making a 'wisecrack'. I'm not speaking disparagingly when I give advice from 1 location to the next...
    He's not talking about Montana, which is an ENTIRE State. He's talking about a 10 block area of South of Fifth vs living in a 50 block or so area of another part of the same general area. Since I've lived in Both South Beach & Downtown and have dozens and dozens of people living the same areas he's asking about, I think I can speak from real experience on these matters 'when asked'.

    He's not asking 'what's it like to live in Miami'.

    He's asking for advice or comments about specific locations and the community of those areas. Yes, you have a condo..yes you live in Polk county...yes you are older than me and came here before me...you just said the same stuff over the last like 6-8 posts. And the only person that says 'you're not a miamian' is you from your "i'm not a local" and "I'm not a Miamian" threads you started.

    So while he's done a lot of his homework and visited often, its completely different once you ACTUALLY live here. And those that did/have (i.e. Jess, Matt, etc.) can attest to that. Miami Beach changes so much that my memories from 2010-2012 are much different than what the place looks like even today when I drove through with a client.

    and from all my experience Living there, selling there, renting there, and hanging out there, I can say with full confidence that South of Fifth is the best location in all of Miami Beach and possibly the best location in all of Miami. (With Coconut Grove and Key Biscayne a close 2nd/3rd).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Middleton View Post
    Ahh, this guy trolls me every chance he gets. (7 more days...)

    I'm not making a 'wisecrack'. I'm not speaking disparagingly when I give advice from 1 location to the next...
    He's not talking about Montana, which is an ENTIRE State. He's talking about a 10 block area of South of Fifth vs living in a 50 block or so area of another part of the same general area. Since I've lived in Both South Beach & Downtown and have dozens and dozens of people living the same areas he's asking about, I think I can speak from real experience on these matters 'when asked'.

    He's not asking 'what's it like to live in Miami'.

    He's asking for advice or comments about specific locations and the community of those areas. Yes, you have a condo..yes you live in Polk county...yes you are older than me and came here before me...you just said the same stuff over the last like 6-8 posts. And the only person that says 'you're not a miamian' is you from your "i'm not a local" and "I'm not a Miamian" threads you started.

    So while he's done a lot of his homework and visited often, its completely different once you ACTUALLY live here. And those that did/have (i.e. Jess, Matt, etc.) can attest to that. Miami Beach changes so much that my memories from 2010-2012 are much different than what the place looks like even today when I drove through with a client.

    and from all my experience Living there, selling there, renting there, and hanging out there, I can say with full confidence that South of Fifth is the best location in all of Miami Beach and possibly the best location in all of Miami. (With Coconut Grove and Key Biscayne a close 2nd/3rd).
    You forgot to mention I agree with you about SoFi. LOL !

    I'm just tripping on " you have to live here" bit. It's not rocket science that places and neighborhoods change. And yes, I'll grant Miami is more elastic than most. I get that from when Tara Solomon was " Queen of the Night" and the many Miami natives I know.

    I'm not trolling you, bro. I'm showing you some affection. LOL !

    So the following question is being begged to ask; What are the notorious changes of the last six years ? Each major city goes through transitions and some neighborhoods become hot. I've see it through gentrification every time I go back home, it's sprawl and now Boyle Heights is in play. Who would of thought that ? I also get Miami changes because there's always a freakin crane in the same limited sq. mileage. One thing both of us believe in, the casinos will be a THE big game changer. In the meantime, it's the same places getting overbuilt and technically changing stuff with pretty much the same dynamics.

    The biggest change I've seen in Miami was watching AAA Arena being built and the Arsht Center. I rememberwalking the old Omni Miami Mall back in the day. All this sq. footage closed down and in moth balls. It was a hallow building except for Miami Subs still open and catering to an empty building. That is probably my best and wierdest #onlyinmiami moment.

    I'm not troliing you, dude. ...maybe a bit of badgering out of affection. Miami is not that complicated, and the funny part is perhaps Echevere is probably more keen on what's happening here than you or I.

    Thanks for bringing up Polk. I do live in the poorest county in the state - and I love it ! - at least the surroundings in my nook. Everytime I see the " Welcome to Polk County" sign, I still can't believe how this city kid arrived at this station. It's a complment, and perhaps a reward for living well 42 years in our nations 2nd biggest city. I've seen and lived a lot. That's what old dudes do., and yes I played golf before this post.... well. truthfully at the driving range.

    I get your spiel and I'm sure you sell Miami well. Miami is an intoxicating city. But like Odyseus, I avoid the Sirens and guess that's where Matt's two year rule comes in. And as we know, many have succomed to the Sirens of the (305). Fortunately for me, we've ingrtatiated Miami in our Florida lifestyle.

    Anyways, bro .... good vibrations from my part and blessings.

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    Marc, I'm now in troll mode mocking #quevotemigente. If you're fluent in Spanish like 70% of the inhabitants that understand and reside Miami, you're welcome to chime in and help.


    Matt: It;s aWhite Dade Turkey Shoot.

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    No action until the San Diego condo sells. Still on the market, pending an acceptable offer...Position has not changed since Day 1 and not giving the place away. Narrowing Miami/MB options in interim and decisions, decisions.
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