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    It happens in about three phases every year. Tough the sun is out, a sweatshirt is required attire today. Back to normal tomorrow. I'm looking at the national weather charts as I insert my Fantasy Football picks, and I'm befuddled. Industrial America is experiencing below freezing temps. Why build air conditioners in Indiana while we can do it here ? My father also told me the tale we walked five miles to school in the snow with cardboard fitted in his shoes to cover up the holes in his boots. Who can live like that ?

    I've been a Floridian for almost thirteen years, and one thing I can affirm; we have plenty of unused land. I see it driving N-S and E-W. I see potential all over, and confused. We have the potential to add two or three major cities in the state with the space we have.

    Understand the old stigmata about swamps. We certainly got those, but why isn't FL more developed ? Why the Rust Belt and not the Sunshine State ?

    Everytime a hit the road, it's question I always ask myself. We got plenty of land and the weather. Walt Disney understood that, and Flagler before him. Nobody since. Not sure why.

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    Pretty much from Lake Okeechobee South is unusable because of the Everglades and what is Native American owned.

    Florida also has some massive cattle ranches, some as large as 65,000 acres. And the orange groves.

    A lot of land is also state and national parks.

    FP&L is a major land owner in the state.

    Disney is also a major land owner and much of their land isn't developed.

    Don't forget about all the swampland which you cannot build on.

    While it looks like it, I can't imagine there is a lot of empty land in Florida not being utilized.

    Just a guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FredTheCatTravels View Post
    Pretty much from Lake Okeechobee South is unusable because of the Everglades and what is Native American owned.

    Florida also has some massive cattle ranches, some as large as 65,000 acres. And the orange groves.

    A lot of land is also state and national parks.

    FP&L is a major land owner in the state.

    Disney is also a major land owner and much of their land isn't developed.

    Don't forget about all the swampland which you cannot build on.

    While it looks like it, I can't imagine there is a lot of empty land in Florida not being utilized.

    Just a guess.

    Agree to a point. I do see " water management" signs posted in these open areas. There might be an engineering aspect to it, but as a lay person, I don't see it.

    The Everglades water shed extends to where I live in CFL. I actually benefit from that because it adds a beautiful aestetic sense to the neighborhood. It's magnificent after the rains ... the bog and marshes. Noticed the other day, it's almost time to harvest the crop of oranges. I've taken argriculture into account as that is important for Florida. I'm talking about open land as far as the eye can see. That means no trees or cattle.

    Maybe I'm naive about the feasibility of the state's potential. It's just something I have to question when I see so much open usable land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackford Oakes View Post

    Everytime a hit the road, it's question I always ask myself. We got plenty of land and the weather. Walt Disney understood that, and Flagler before him. Nobody since. Not sure why.
    Let's see..who runs Florida?? and who has always run Florida??

    If the dems don't get out the vote more in off-year elections, it'll never change and always be a cow town with the exception of Miami & Jax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Middleton View Post
    Let's see..who runs Florida?? and who has always run Florida??

    If the dems don't get out the vote more in off-year elections, it'll never change and always be a cow town with the exception of Miami & Jax.
    I think it goes beyond that. Something more perhaps like the how people out of state percieve Florida. I'm not a Scott fan, but remember he was chastised by CA and VA governors seeking to pluck businesses from there. It's not for lack of trying. He hustled.

    The only thing I can think of why is FL is not the greatest place to be is if you're producing goods and have to distribute them. Texas is in the middle of the country so that's an easier choice to relocate, and they're doing great. VA is great for other reasons as they attract service oriented businesses and one of the fastest growing states in terms of economy. Not everyone is like Amazon and can have a distribution center in Davenport,FL.

    I know the Lykes family, and more to a lesser extent, own most of the land in FL which is dedicated to mostly to argiculture. These are likely the owners when I see all this open land when I'm on the road.

    Not sure if you diparaged some when you mentioned " cow town." I'm cool with maintaing that heritage and industry that we enjoy on our dinner plates. Strawberries don't grow in the Publix produce section at Mary Brickell. . I'm a city kid that primarily resides in in a heavily dependent argricultural county. I'm not a snot, I guess. I prefer seeing cows rest under a beautiful oak tree than seeing another building being erect were it shouldn't. I was back home last year and witnessed the largest concrete pour in our country's history. Brickell Centre- not even close. If I was there today, there's a huge concrete pour that's initiatating building a new football stadium. Nothing against concrete pours which is basically my point. There are places here in FL that can use some concrete instead of Miami - unless it's for casinos. LOL !


    Marc, I don't t get your point about mid-term elections. If Dems controlled the state house, they'd use the land to grow Cannibis if they could. But you know what ? These reps are alums of Florida colleges. That's inside football. They need underpriviledged blacks to chase rabbits in argricultural fields to develop agility for their college football teams. Before I'm acussed of racism, study the situation of The Glades. It's common knowledge. I proposed to Carlos Miller years ago that we go to the MUCK BOWL. I had to cancel unfortunetly but glad he went. http://www.miamibeach411.com/news/muck-bowl

    Bottom line Marc, is Miami produces nothing, nor the beef you eat, or the orange juice you might have had this morning. ...not even sure Burger King is still the corporate giant in Miami. Where do they even get their beef ? I just think FL has great potential to grow without the need to disparage " cow towns" You ain't more a city slicker than me - for sure. I can pet a cow three miles away. LOL !

    I think FL can slack off a bit off ag and balnce things out and grow. That said, I'm bullish on Adam Putnam. A friend and our current secretary of agriculture. Prior to that, he was the youngest representative in DC. Hopefully a future governor.

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    Because we see what a cluster California became by over development and don't wanna end up like that?

    Nah, Florida is never a state to stop development in the name of.....anything. So that's not it. It's probably that this has always been a place full of corruption and hucksters, and when you have that so widespread it's hard to build a real economy and real growth. Also, why do you want more people here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Meltzer View Post
    Because we see what a cluster California became by over development and don't wanna end up like that?
    15% GDP Growth in last 5 years for CA and 9% for FL.

    Like the 6th largest economy in the world?

    Guess they are doing something right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackford Oakes View Post
    Bottom line Marc, is Miami produces nothing, nor the beef you eat, or the orange juice you might have had this morning. ...not even sure Burger King is still the corporate giant in Miami.
    We're talking about Florida and its lack of growth, not Miami. 1 City isn't an entire state (except maybe Las Vegas).

    The majority of Florida is a 'cow town', sorry if that offends you. As a trump supporter, I'm surprised a non-PC term would rile you up.

    Glad you are more of a 'city slicker' than me. I can't say I've ever called myself one and spent most of my life in cow-town Orlando.

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    Marc, I don't t get your point about mid-term elections. If Dems controlled the state house, they'd use the land to grow Cannibis if they could. But you know what ? These reps are alums of Florida colleges.
    I don't know, maybe if we didn't have a Gov who banned the term 'climate change' we could actually do things instead of try and steal away businesses from Blue states. (notice he didn't go after Red State jobs?)

    The 'Sunshine State' ought to have a massive solar factory perhaps? Or Hydrogen one since we're a peninsula?

    Perhaps we shouldn't be last all the time for innovation or wait years after CA does something?

    Chop off the panhandle, give it to Alabama, and let the Dems take over the state house and start getting some stuff done. Green Jobs, statewide gambling, more liberal laws (no buying alcohol until 1pm on Sunday, really? What is this, Salem 1692?), legalize marijuana, stop banning high-speed rail and begin connecting our cities, etc. etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackford Oakes View Post

    I've been a Floridian for almost thirteen years, and one thing I can affirm; we have plenty of unused land. I see it driving N-S and E-W. I see potential all over, and confused. We have the potential to add two or three major cities in the state with the space we have.

    Understand the old stigmata about swamps. We certainly got those, but why isn't FL more developed ? Why the Rust Belt and not the Sunshine State ?

    Everytime a hit the road, it's question I always ask myself. We got plenty of land and the weather. Walt Disney understood that, and Flagler before him. Nobody since. Not sure why.
    I've always figured for the same reasons the houses don't have basements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Middleton View Post
    I don't know, maybe if we didn't have a Gov who banned the term 'climate change' we could actually do things instead of try and steal away businesses from Blue states. (notice he didn't go after Red State jobs?)

    The 'Sunshine State' ought to have a massive solar factory perhaps? Or Hydrogen one since we're a peninsula?

    Perhaps we shouldn't be last all the time for innovation or wait years after CA does something?

    Chop off the panhandle, give it to Alabama, and let the Dems take over the state house and start getting some stuff done. Green Jobs, statewide gambling, more liberal laws (no buying alcohol until 1pm on Sunday, really? What is this, Salem 1692?), legalize marijuana, stop banning high-speed rail and begin connecting our cities, etc. etc.
    I'm not sure about your numbers. California has improved since I left. It's important to note CA is a Pacific gateway to Asia, while we jokingly say here, Miami and Florida is part of Latin America.

    You have to recognize that disadvantage.

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