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    Yansey, seriously, thank you for starting this thread. One of the best discussions I've seen on here in a while.

    Here's the thing, dude. I used to go to Crobar, Level, Opium and Space on a rotating basis. These were big megaclubs where if you showed up early, dressed up, and looked decent, you were let in, You'd get THOUSANDS of people dancing on the floor at Level. And most weekends every one of those spots had a DJ you'd heard of. Like a big name who'd headline Ultra. It was about the PARTY, not the SCENE. Yeah, drinks were still insanely expensive. Cover was $20-25. But it was about letting people have a good time, not keeping people out.

    It also is about the clubs treating the customers like they're better than them. It's really the only industry that does this. There are places in Miami that do not do that, and many of them are quite expensive. I went for drinks at The Delano a couple weeks ago, and a beer was $9. But the bartenders, doormen, and waitresses were all polite and helpful. Same scene, same dress-up, same trendiness. But it was stress-free because the place didn't give us attitude. Didn't act like they were doing us a favor by LETTING us buy $17 martinis. So you see the difference? It's not so much what they charge, but the attitude they get with the clientele.

    Coatbob - "sucks big fat hair frogs" may be my favorite euphemism of 2010

    Oh, and cursing is not at all indicative of vocabulary. I worked for a professor in Gainesville who had a PhD in English. Every other word out of her mouth was "fuck." And the words that were not "fuck" were so complicated you didn't know what it meant. I use profanity to make points. But that excuse about it being for the uneducated is proven wrong by countless people I know.

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    This topic is heavily subjective. Club opinions will depend on a person's experience and interests. Some folks don't mid spending more in the VIP section, as someone mentioned in an earlier thread, people pay for the ambiance. Many people come to Miami for that ambiance. I don't know of anyone crazy about getting inside the mega clubs of Des Moines, atleast Miami has a beach, unlike Vegas.

    At one point, I was 21, desperate to go clubbing. After 3 months and hundreds spent, I had enough (though I never did VIP, no thanks). Now I only go to mega clubs if I'm dating a girl who is into clubbing (let the women in, and the men will follow), or if I have a hook up. I prefer low key places like Purdy Lounge.

    Almost everyone agrees that clubs are over-priced. A minimum of 2 tables at $300 apiece is ridiculous. I have plenty of friends who've had similar experiences to Matt's. I also have friends who enjoy clubs and don't mind spending. Maria is right; first the door Nazis, then drinks. $25 is ridiculous for rum n' coke. If drinks were around $8 - 9, you could buy 3 or 4 drinks comfortably, without draining your bank account. Then there's plenty of folks, for whom dancing is simply dry-humping. And of course, you can't even hear the person next t oyou due to the loud music.

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    besides nikki beach on a sunday nyt im yet to have a good nite out in sth beach in 5 months of livin here. clevelander one fri nyt was good but pretty feral and not a dress up at all. was still fun tho but can understand why its not everyones cup of tea. pretty sad i what is supposed to be americans clubbing playground. i guess i was just spoilt with the australian club scene

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    i guess i was just spoilt with the australian club scene
    And I was spoilt with the English. Give me a night in Gatecrasher over any night in South Beach.

    (NOTE: I said South Beach! Not Miami. Space I love!)

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    <<...."I went for drinks at The Delano a couple weeks ago, and a beer was $9. But the bartenders, doormen, and waitresses were all polite and helpful."...>>


    Agree with Matt. The Delano treats its customers well.

    Glenn

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    Vegas clubs are less hassle than the ones in Miami to be honest. Plus they actually have dance floors, granted they are big enough to have tons of tables and a dance floor. If you are local/military they let you in for free unless an event is going on. Drink prices are the same though and DJ lineups are pretty much the same too.

    As for Miami, Space is definitely the best place to party.... if Space wasn't here it would be hard for me not to move back to Vegas lol. I love the beach but i gots to have my house music.
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    Thanks Matt... no offense taken Maria...

    I guess this sums up how everyone feels...

    YouTube - Knocked Up - Doorman Scene

    LOL!

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    Just chiming in with my 2 cents (more like 1 cent) I'm not a shallow person but I still can realize that not every club is right for every person. Find the club that fits you best.

    Going clubbing in sobe is the same as entering a private country club or golf course. you go there and show up in your shorts, sandals, and $5 in hand, or with a pile of rusty clubs in a plastic bag, they have every right to refuse business to you. Why is this perfectly acceptable for private golf courses but so many people consider this outrageous for sobe clubs to do.
    Just like private golf courses have dress code of collard shirts etc, so do clubs. Some courses and clubs will be more strict or more money then others. You can pay a $50 green fee and get a crappy course with long grass and no frills or you have your expensive exclusive well kept courses. You have the ability to decide for yourself which course is more your style. So why is it a shocker that this same thinking applies to clubs in sobe. Everyone always feels like they have a right to, or are entitled to enter any sobe club..... But it is a private business that has every right to refuse.

    I totally respect everyone views on the subject and see where everyone's opinions are coming from about overpriced everything, but its not the clubs fault, its all the peoples fault for valuing drinks, covers, vip tables at that price. $1000 min table at say set to me is super high, but it's not me that is paying for these $1000 tables it's the clients, and they accept this value, and come back, AND most nights these tables SELL OUT. Just because you or me are not the target market for these services doesn't mean that that these services are not being met by others. Thats why it all comes down to finding the right venue for your individual needs and expectations

    Hope everyone has an amazing Halloween weekend
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    Whew! For a moment I thought I'd be the only promoter going at this alone... lol

    Good point Tommy!

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    Tommy -
    I mostly agree with what you wrote above, but this discussion was prompted because of Matt's article on his experience at Cameo, and how they tried to scam him. I'm not sure if you read his article, but one of the major points in that article was that Cameo tried to pull a bait and switch on Matt. They probably assumed (incorrectly) that he was some greenhorn tourist that could be taken for a ride. They told him that they would honor a particular offer, and once inside, they "upped the deal", requiring him to purchase more. It's this type of BS that clubs try to pull that really pisses off customers.

    Your country club analogy should be more along the lines of something like this: .... The country club tells you that a round of golf is $100 and you get a free 3-ball sleeve of golf balls. However, once you get to the course, they tell you the round will cost you $200. (Or, it's $100, but you must pay for and play play 2 rounds, even though you don't want 2 rounds and weren't told ahead of time that buying 2 rounds was part of the deal.) That's a bait and switch, and it won't fly here.


    Glenn
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    I posted my response in Matt's article's comments which might explain the reasoning for what happened, so you guys can better understand... so i might as well post it on here...


    "I bet you Cameo was offering that deal based on the bottle minimum for the group… he did not mention how many people were getting bottle service with him… its usually 4 people per bottle… more than that and you would have to purchase another bottle… the champagne was complimentary… Cameo also does that special for bdays! buy a bottle and get a champagne free but whats allowed for the bottle is 4 people in total…. you cant bring 15 people with you (example) to vip with one bottle special….

    It's a shame a misunderstanding like that happened and should’ve been explained clearly but thats no reason to bash a whole chain of clubs! i’ve had plenty of people come in free and have a great time and thank me later! and without having to buy bottles! and with NO PROBLEMS! and i aint full of sh*t either!"


    Again Matt said no one mentioned the group limit for the special which is why i bolded a sentence in my comment!
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    Tommy!

    Holy moly ... that seems like a very diverse and extremely opposite customer base.

    Heck, I just spent some time in Ponte Vedra TPC Sawgrass Clubhouse, one of the most exclusive golf places in the world, where Tiger Woods apparently hit the biggest hole evar, and even there, Joe Schmoe can get a FREE tour by a docent. So I'm not seeing the analogy Tommy, though I do appreciate you dropping by ... and you do support the point I've been trying to make all along, which is that clubs are private and can exclude people at will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yanseyvaldes View Post
    It's a shame a misunderstanding like that happened and should’ve been explained clearly
    Well Yansey, here you have an opportunity to clarify everything. Tell us about the GOOD stuff that happens. But be prepared to be accountable. I really do appreciate the debate and let's keep on keeping it real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GandJ View Post
    Tommy -
    I mostly agree with what you wrote above, but this discussion was prompted because of Matt's article on his experience at Cameo, and how they tried to scam him. I'm not sure if you read his article, but one of the major points in that article was that Cameo tried to pull a bait and switch on Matt.
    Glenn
    ahh yes I did not read it, But hear similar situations all the time. would need to hear all the fact on both sides, so I will just stay out of it.

    Only thing I can say is that tables are based on 4 people, if theres more people then 4 the minimum will go up but they will tell you this at the door or by your bottle girl Before ordering, if someone messed up, lied, etc. it also may be the fault of someone like the bottle girl etc not necessarily reflective of the clubs policy.
    Miami Beach is all service industry based and unfortunitly the service here SUCKS!!! restaurants etc. Crappy service thats everywhere on the beach would get you fired in vegas or NY in a heartbeat. just sayin

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    Good things are always going on at the clubs! I did explain it clearly Maria... in my previous comment... all this was a misunderstanding that should have been explained at the door clearly... When i do Cameo on Fridays, I make sure to let my guests know things before to avoid mishaps like this... and Tommy summed up what i stated when i started the thread...

    I love debates and keeping it real

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    The point has already been made, but it obviously needs to be restated. Miami Beach night clubs are not country clubs.

    If you treat members at a country club the way these assholes treat customers at the clubs, you would get fired.

    The locals have gotten fed up with it which is why most don't go to the clubs.

    And the clubs don't give a shit because there is a constant influx of tourists who are here to party, so they will put up with the bullshit because they saved up all year for this vacation.

    So the promoters and club managers and bartenders and bouncers already know they are making their money, no matter what.

    It's why they are able to get away with including a gratuity and still give bad service. The money is guaranteed because tourists want to eat, drink and party on the beach.

    They don't want to take a chance on the mainland. That's not what they are here for. They are here for South Beach.

    The problem is, the club industry has gotten greedy. They have gotten too comfortable. And they think they can do whatever they want.

    And it's so obvious from this thread what the promoters are trying to say that it's nothing but a class system. That if you can't afford it, then you're not worthy.

    Fuck you.

    I don't care how rich I am, I would never willingly subject myself to the arrogant attitudes that are displayed at those clubs.

    There will come a time when South Beach will end up in a decline. Give it a few years when Havana becomes a tourist destination again. You'll have hot beaches, hot clubs, hot women and hot casinos.

    Without the attitude you get in South Beach.

    So enjoy while you can. Rape the people while they're willing. Because it's not going to last long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy View Post
    ahh yes I did not read it, But hear similar situations all the time. would need to hear all the fact on both sides, so I will just stay out of it.

    Only thing I can say is that tables are based on 4 people, if theres more people then 4 the minimum will go up but they will tell you this at the door or by your bottle girl Before ordering, if someone messed up, lied, etc. it also may be the fault of someone like the bottle girl etc not necessarily reflective of the clubs policy.
    Miami Beach is all service industry based and unfortunitly the service here SUCKS!!! restaurants etc. Crappy service thats everywhere on the beach would get you fired in vegas or NY in a heartbeat. just sayin

    I see why the people on the board like you Tommy!

    I appreciate your str8forward calling of some things as they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos Miller View Post
    The problem is, the club industry has gotten greedy. They have gotten too comfortable. And they think they can do whatever they want.

    And it's so obvious from this thread what the promoters are trying to say that it's nothing but a class system. That if you can't afford it, then you're not worthy.
    Well said.

    South Beach is the ONLY PLACE IN THE WORLD that treats nightclub customers this way. I have partied all over the world so I can say this. South Beach f***ing sucks when it comes to their elitist door policies and overpriced drinks.

    Let everyone in you stuck up a**holes, everyone is entitled to a good time.

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    I have a couple of friends (young, attractive female friends) who go out for the night to hit the clubs with $5 in their purse. That's to cover the cost of the cab ride home essentially. I think it's awesome that they do that.

    I'm always amused by club bashing here (and the bashing of people associated who take part). Isn't Miami known for being one of the best cities for clubbing?

    I, personally, don't go, though I'm thoroughly captivated by the entire scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post
    I have a couple of friends (young, attractive female friends) who go out for the night to hit the clubs with $5 in their purse. That's to cover the cost of the cab ride home essentially. I think it's awesome that they do that.

    I'm always amused by club bashing here (and the bashing of people associated who take part). Isn't Miami known for being one of the best cities for clubbing?

    I, personally, don't go, though I'm thoroughly captivated by the entire scene.

    u think its great that ur friends are parasites n just rely on stupid men to buy them drinks all nyt? wow what an achievement!

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