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    Now more than ever, I believe Calle Ocho should be razed.

    Fidel is dead and now pots and pans never used in ages got taken out of the cupboard,banged in front of Versailles.


    If you ask me, the Cuban influence in Miami is overrated, During the last few days, all I heard in networks based in NYC, is this illusion that Cuban's are responsible for Miami's economic prowness. LOL ! Just heard it again ... it reappeared on CNN. just now. in the meantime, we insiders know what;s going on. The local economy here is atrrociuos.

    The Chinese will eventully get here with the casinos. In the meantime, the Colmbians are here, and they with the Chinese is will define Miami'sfuture. not the same syncopation of banging pots and pans on Calle Ocho,

    Time to raze Little Havana and grow Miami.
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    I don't agree with that, since LH is one of the few parts of Miami that's unique and somewhat historic. Without those areas we're Pompano. Or Tampa. Or any other new City in Florida. You're right that the Cuban contribution to Miami's success if horribly overrated, but at the same time it's one of the few things in Miami that's unlike anywhere else. Raze it and build lowrise apartment buildings and you're now Dallas without the white people. Yay.
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    Miami is Little Havana. You're proposing to take away a huge chunk of the city that is important to most of its inhabitants. The thought of Chinese casinos is atrocious. Why would you ever propose that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jess View Post
    Miami is Little Havana. You're proposing to take away a huge chunk of the city that is important to most of its inhabitants. The thought of Chinese casinos is atrocious. Why would you ever propose that?
    I guess I'm proposing it, but it's going to happen naturally via gentrification unless Little Havana gets " preservation status."
    Seen it happen in too many places and Miami can't sustian just growing vertically. Look at what's happening in Oakland of all places. The techies are changing many neighborhoods in that city. Why, because there is no room other to gentrify within a reasonable area from the workplace.

    As far as the casinos, what other options is Miami offering for growth ? What's going to happen down the line when travel to Cuba competes with Miami Beach for tourist dollars ? Miami needs a shot in the arm and a new identity. We need an option other than when Goloshes become standard use in MB.

    If the casinos are of the quality that have been proposed, I don't see what's " atrocious" about it.
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    I don't agree with that, since LH is one of the few parts of Miami that's unique and somewhat historic. Without those areas we're Pompano. Or Tampa. Or any other new City in Florida. You're right that the Cuban contribution to Miami's success if horribly overrated, but at the same time it's one of the few things in Miami that's unlike anywhere else. Raze it and build lowrise apartment buildings and you're now Dallas without the white people. Yay.

    I was in Dallas three months ago. They have "0" unemployment there and traffic moves swimmingly. Three out of nine Uber rides I had while in Dallas where dudes that previously lived in Miami. No qualms whatsoever.

    Had to opportunity to hit up Deep Ellum, just E of DT Dallas. It was gentrification heaven and blows Wynwood in Miami off the map. Like what really needs to be saved in Little Havana ? .... A cemetery and domino playground.

    Miami needs to grow, and Little Havana is in the way. It's only a theory at the moment. We don't have the jobs.

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    Dallas is efficient, but it's also nondescript and boring and not really anyone would go as a tourism destination. It doesn't need to have character because there are actual industries there. Miami NEEDS tourism, because we have no real economic drivers here. If we're not unique, then people won't come. So we need to keep what's unique to keep people coming. Otherwise we're just a more-clusterfucked and inefficient West Palm Beach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackford Oakes View Post
    Like what really needs to be saved in Little Havana ? .... A cemetery and domino playground.

    Miami needs to grow, and Little Havana is in the way. It's only a theory at the moment. We don't have the jobs.
    Why does Miami need to do anything?

    And secondly, that cemetery and domino playground is very important to the community in LH. That alone is reason to save it. You're talking about razing a place like you're a developer and I don't agree, places with long term residents such as this need their heritage and community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jess View Post
    Why does Miami need to do anything?

    And secondly, that cemetery and domino playground is very important to the community in LH. That alone is reason to save it. You're talking about razing a place like you're a developer and I don't agree, places with long term residents such as this need their heritage and community.
    I'm obviously not a developer. Just stating the principle of Adam Smith's Invincible Hand. that one of these days will effect The 305. Miami is a bit behind in what I've experienced. No need to remind you I lived in a more mobile city with many decent jobs. I do think local officials locally have the responsibility to provide an environment of growth.

    I was a long time resident of East Hollywood ( Los Feliz), I don't recall the concern to maintain the heritage of the movie studios that are now gone, or the feel of the place I grew up with. The Invinsible Hand took over and Armenian is practically the official language of Hollywood. That's just one example of many that I've seen. Within six blocks of my last residence, the city has posted a " Little Armenia" and "Thai Town." My Fazzi's Deli, which was an institution,as well as Sarno's Bakery are gone. Those meant more to me than a Versailles - but, hey.
    Echo Park still has a sign welcoming you to " Little Manila." Today you won't find one Filipino in Echo Park, they all moved to Cerritos. LOL ! These are just a couple of many examples that gentrification is a fact. Up north, the Chinese in San Francisco are getting uprooted by Silicon Valley types and moving to Fremont. I can go on and on.

    Nothing is sacred and everything has a price. Wait till the Chinese and Casinos come. Little Havana is situated in a great location for it to be a shanty town. They'll eventually will get a pay day in LH, which is probably something I'm sure they'll want and move to Weston.

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    Still waiting on those casinos. Didn't Genting buy that Herald land like almost a decade ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Meltzer View Post
    Still waiting on those casinos. Didn't Genting buy that Herald land like almost a decade ago?
    Yeah, FL Legislature didn't vote the right way and then Scott did a long deal with the Indians again so that pretty much killed it for now.

    Trump and Adelson lobbied hard for it, but it in the end, the conservative, no vision, do-nothing repubs in the state house couldn't make it happen.

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    Yeah, FL Legislature didn't vote the right way and then Scott did a long deal with the Indians again so that pretty much killed it for now.
    Once travel to Cuba gets ramped up and is a viable cheap destination as Puerto Rico is now, Casino talk will be back on the table.


    That aside; What do you thing about Visit Florida association with Pit Bull ? Heads rolled on this one. I personally don't like the ad.

    The ad opens up with a view of the Ritz Carlton in St. Pete.... then goes into this lost message of about sexy beaches, hotels.

    The ad seems aimed at old bald dudes inticed they are going to hook up at a hotel lobby and get laid. Same guys that elect or not to file a police report after they recover from a stuptor, and their Rolex is missing.

    Heads rolled on this add. In my opinion the add is too Miami-Centric and biased against other great in-state beach destinations. It's also stupid ignoring the bigger market like couples and families, I'd complain too if I was the mayor of Naples.



    If I was an out-of-state consumer and saw this ad, I'd be booking my beach vacation in Santa Barabara. Anyways, Pit Bull got $1M of our tax dollars for this misguided ad. I want the one showing a spinning roulette wheel in a Miami casino. It's inevitable, folks. Bald men losing at Baccarat is more realistic then getting laid by a hottie in a hotel lobby.
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    Dropped the wrong video. Too lazy to edit. Youtube it.

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    The top brass at Visit Florida were fired over that video from my understanding.

    Having a twenty year background in tourism marketing, people want Miami to be the Miami they see on TV and in movies. They want that sexy, sultry, mojitos by the Delano pool fantasy.

    While that tourist from middle America may not go to LIV or E11even, they'll get out their white linen pants and go have a burger at the Hard Rock at Bayside waiting for their cruise ship to come in. They will snap facebook and Instagram photos from Ocean Drive and send them to their friends in the wintery tundra.

    FWIW, Carlos Miller's videos from Little Havana in the days after Castro's death were pretty moving.

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    Yeah not quite sure why you'd want Pitbull as the ambassador for the whole state. Nothing wrong with him, per se, but he's like very Miami, and that's about it. If I want to go swimming with manatees or realx on the gulf coast beaches, that's not at all the image I want. Oh well, hindsight it 20/20 I guess. I don't think it'll affect tourism much though.
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    Miami is nothing like the rest of Florida. In fact most Floridians you meet refuse to come to Miami or have never been. We are an entirely different world down here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jess View Post
    Miami is nothing like the rest of Florida. In fact most Floridians you meet refuse to come to Miami or have never been. We are an entirely different world down here.
    I get that push-back all the time about that from neighbors. Wise one's.

    At the same time, I"m not Miami-centric. I love Miami and it fullfils some of my needs - not all. If you want to characterize it as a " different world" so is Biloxi.

    I think Miami is one of those places you have to qualify a prospective visitor. If you're single. it's viable if you might want to go an hook-up with a red head from Montauk .. then she'll convince you Montauk is better in July than Miami is right now. She has a strong point.


    As far as Little Havana, it's a relic and in the way. Got back to Florida from LA on Friday night whth a few Cuban Sandwhiches in tow. Ate my last bite yesterday in a blur, like the picture .. Way better than Versailles as Cubans on FL's West Coast aleady know.

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    Just raze the place and keep pretending that you care. Ten miles off, and I would have had a Punjab meal. Who cares ?

    There is a reason people don't want to visit Miami. Few people here have real jobs... peeps that do don't go for head fakes. and thus better options statewide. Nobody in Miami can afford to pop a cork at a club. MB is a playground for peeps ouy of sate. Those that live here, admittingly professed they don't hit the beach. often I think this site has already established that: " i live in MB,and I'm cool .. but haven't had a beach day in months." The Goldman Sach's guy's are kicking the sand about and popping bottles. Local's, my arse.

    Boyle Heights, and even parts of Oakland are being tranformed via gentrification. In Miami it's the same old and lets keep LH and continue to applaud why we're still a third world city.

    When you dummy down and move to FL, you focus on these things. I'm not Marc Middleton escaping Orlando or others here that belive in a Magic City.

    Just a dude that discovered Mortimer Adler before freshman year. Everyone is entitled to their own fancy.

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    You can't gentrify when you don't have gentrifiers. It would require young, creative people with means to transform LH into a viable 21st century neighborhood. But Miami is an immigrant city, not a hip, creative American city. As such, there will always be poverty and enclaves where people don't speak English and a general lack of real jobs. That's just it. Our idea of "new" neighborhoods is throwing up high rises in old industrial areas, not improving existing ones. How is the West Grove still a shit hole?

    We're just not that kind of city. Interesting, sure. But we'll never be a Seattle or an Austin or a San Francisco. We don't attract the right kind of people to do that.

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    Matt: you made my point and main question; why isn't Miami drawing these people and youth. The landscape is sexier than most. We get everthing else sucks and have been mismanaged.

    In an equal world of opportunity, LH would esily get revamped as well as downtown Miami. Why not and San Jose yes. I'm perplexed as you are why Miami can't attract brains and some corporations Such a ripe situation for it. I'm dumfouded dude why even dt Miami isn't even gettin revitalized. That's gold !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackford Oakes View Post
    . I'm dumfouded dude why even dt Miami isn't even gettin revitalized. That's gold !
    It is and has been. There is a massive plan to redo Biscayne Blvd by the heat stadium, make it more pedestrian friendly.

    The huge World Center project has already started which will bring a mall and movie theatre, as well as new condo buildings.

    The all aboard Florida station will be opening near overtown and will do a revamped train station with mixed use surrounding it. It will bring the high speed trains connecting W. Palm/ Ft Lauderdale and eventually Orlando. It would have been earlier had our Gov not blocked it so many times.

    The 2 museums right off the causeway are gorgeous and they made a nice park around it to walk, and they offer events throughout the year.

    There are even plans to revamp Bayside.

    It just takes some time, the crashed stopped a lot of progress but since 2012 its been in high gear. Downtown Miami has had an increase in population by 150% since 2000 and the median income there is now over $100k year.

    The city needs to do a better job working with low income people near by and moving out the homeless/coming up with a plan for them. That will be the final piece to make it a thriving/booming city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackford Oakes View Post
    I'm not Marc Middleton escaping Orlando or others here that belive in a Magic City.
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    You also don't live in Miami.....so there's that...

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